darachmoon

Mona. Norwegian.

Currently obsessed with Teen Wolf and Dylan O'Brien.

This is not a spoiler free blog, but I try to tag stuff with "tw spoilers". Occasionally NSFW and tagged as such.

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calicokat-teenwolf:

This is a fantastic interview on method that’s linked in that previous news post.

Very light possible spoilers (information not definite).

My only pick on you Jeff is if you wanted to make each season feel complete you didn’t do that for me. Haaaa. We’re still asking questions about the first season! 

I’m glad to hear again the confirmation the audience is supposed to look up the mythology and there are source materials that provide answers. Also, hearing stuff like that confirms the doublespeak that describes method.

Noshiko:You hid them in a book? Couldn’t you find something more secure?
Ken:How many high school students do you know who would willingly open a book?

Luckily the show doesn’t just rib fans.

Lydia: I would try to explain it, but… I’ve never gotten a satisfactory explanation myself.

At the end of “The Girl Who Knew Too Much” there’s a bunch of Shakespeare posters telling you to read your Shakespeare and understand his writing method (which I’ve been doing, ugh, need to banshee meta)…but a close-up where I can’t tell who it’s ribbing.

For the record:

abstruse (n)

difficult to understand; obscure.
"an abstruse philosophical inquiry"

synonyms: obscure, arcane, esoteric, little known, recherché, rarefied, recondite, difficult, hard, puzzling, perplexing, cryptic, enigmatic, Delphic, complex, complicated, involved, over/above one’s head, incomprehensible, unfathomable, impenetrable, mysterious

I’M GLAD YOU NOTICED, TOO, PROPS DEPARTMENT.

Haaaa, things I don’t need: TV shows sassing me.

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"…if these years have taught me anything it is this: you can never run away. Not ever. The only way out is in."

— Junot Díaz, The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao

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lloydoholic:

magess:

notenufcaffeine:

As of BiteCon, Jeff Davis officially-unofficially-politely asked-without-asking for the teen-wolf-wiki to have a list of questions he hasn’t answered yet. It’s on the soundbite

Jeff: “Hey, I heard a little sarcasm over there. [laughs] But to be honest, when you’re doing the first season of television, you’re really praying that you’re just going to be on the air for that season, so some things don’t get planned very well. Will Wallace, who was at the writer’s panel, is now the keeper of all such dates. It was interesting because I just read Dr. Sleep by Stephen King, the sequel to The Shining, and he said he actually went to one of the uber fans of The Shining to make sure he gets all the details right himself. So we on Teen Wolf are a little like that, too. We may need to contact one of you to say, ‘Are we right about this?’”

Just going out on a limb here but let me rephrase what it sounds like he said: 

PLEASE would fans clearly compile the list of unanswered questions/plotholes/overlooked canon details on the TW fan wiki and send the wiki to all the cast-twitters so it gets to the writers for reference?

This is the link to said page:

http://www.teenwolfwiki.com/Open_Questions

So let some writers and cast members know!

So now he wants US to repair what HE’S ruined with his incompetence? Dream on, Jeff Davis, dream on. This is your fucking mess to clean up.

Well this goes to show that they can’t really win no matter what. Even when he extends and olive branch to get a better grip on what fandom considers plotholes and unanswered questions, the response is a big FU. And when he doesn’t fandom rages over how he doesn’t care about them. Nice. I think we just found the plot for the next Mission Impossible movie.

athenadark:

One of the first things I tell anyone working in teen wolf meta is to take the idea of good and evil and punt it into the evil lake, to use “them and us” or “pack and not pack”

that it turned out needed punting too.

It’s simply too simplistic, the actual division is much more complex and fits into NINE categories with a single defiant outlier.

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hoechlling:

halekingsourwolf:

Oh hey, someone basically gif’d my comparison post! :D

YOOOO OMG I NEVER SAW THAT POST

Haha seriously? I just figured you were inspired by it which is totally cool, but that’s extra awesome if you weren’t.

Great minds high five!!

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magess:

notenufcaffeine:

As of BiteCon, Jeff Davis officially-unofficially-politely asked-without-asking for the teen-wolf-wiki to have a list of questions he hasn’t answered yet. It’s on the soundbite

Jeff: “Hey, I heard a little sarcasm over there. [laughs] But to be honest, when you’re doing the first season of television, you’re really praying that you’re just going to be on the air for that season, so some things don’t get planned very well. Will Wallace, who was at the writer’s panel, is now the keeper of all such dates. It was interesting because I just read Dr. Sleep by Stephen King, the sequel to The Shining, and he said he actually went to one of the uber fans of The Shining to make sure he gets all the details right himself. So we on Teen Wolf are a little like that, too. We may need to contact one of you to say, ‘Are we right about this?’”

Just going out on a limb here but let me rephrase what it sounds like he said: 

PLEASE would fans clearly compile the list of unanswered questions/plotholes/overlooked canon details on the TW fan wiki and send the wiki to all the cast-twitters so it gets to the writers for reference?

This is the link to said page:

http://www.teenwolfwiki.com/Open_Questions

So let some writers and cast members know!

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Asker Anonymous Asks:
i just sent u an anon about sterek and grasping at straws, and i apologize, i said it wrong and i know i came off rude and hurtful so i'm sorry. what i should have said was that i saw a post from a sterek shipper, saying they think it shouldnt be canon, and i wonder why you think differently. you talk about gay representation (i think that could be another meta writer), so would you be happy if a different main character was gay or bi or trans or anything else? again sorry for my first message
darachmoon darachmoon Said:

athenadark:

it’s okay

I didn’t take the first anon as insulting

the question is - at what point do you lose hope, isn’t it?

and the answer is when the story tells me to

I was in spn, i was one of the first destiel writers, and i knew from the first appearance of Castiel, (and two hours later when I posted the first porn fic with Castiel) that it was never going to happen.

I was in SGA and new mcshep was never going to happen.

As a rule - it’s never going to happen, so why do I support Sterek? because the story is telling me, with every angle i read it at, it’s going to happen. They aren’t platonic life mates like in SGA or H50, there aren’t the specific and blatant no homo moments of supernatural, or even Dean’s denial of his obvious bisexuality. And the only thing that might stop them is their sexuality, which Davis has told us doesn’t matter, so reading the text as if either character was a girl we’d arrive at the same conclusion = sterek is, within canon, go.

Now Teen Wolf PR is a specialised thing that has nothing to do with fandom and no idea what to do with fandom, and would probably find it’s job easier without fandom. It’s job is to make people talk about teen wolf, whether that talk is good or bad if we’re talking about it more people are hearing about it, more people are going to watch to see what we’re talking about.

50 shades of grey didn’t sell because it was a good book (it’s not) but because it gave off the impression everyone was reading it, so people bought it because everyone was reading it. The same thing happened with Twilight, that’s genius marketing.

And it’s better to call Teen Wolf PR Teen Wolf marketing because that’s their job, to sell the show. Most PR is putting out fires, their’s isn’t, it’s getting bums on seats at 10pm mondays.

So it does that in tried and tested ways for the episode that’s coming up, it can’t give out spoilers and it can’t really reveal a lot about the plot, it has to find a single hook that it can market until it can’t any more, and those tend to be the het ships, because they don’t cause offense (except in fandom) and it makes the show sound like a clone of the more popular shows people watch - like TVD or something similar which are, to a large extent, about the ships.

Teen Wolf isn’t about the ships. It’s about the Hale Argent war, the ships are noise in that, they’re just the gravy on the side, and that’s unusual and makes it hard to market, and also it’s what people fixate on, not the strategic movements of hunter clans through the seventeenth century.

And the big ship was never Scallison, or Skittles, it was always Sterek because Sterek acts out like a Regency AU with less politeness, it’s about bringing them together and throwing them apart again and again until someone confesses their love.

And until one of the characters either confesses that it is not so, or one of them dies with no hope of recovery Sterek is still very much on the table.

But Sterek =/= representation.

Sterek is a ship. ANY of the main characters involved in a non heterosexual relationship will achieve the same end in regards to representation. If Scott hooks up with Brett it’s the same. Or Lydia with Cora. Malia and Kira kissing and running off to LA together. ANY of these would be as valid

and teen wolf already has lots of validation, Stiles is just as obviously bi as Dean Winchester ever was, but without the repression, he just hasn’t voiced it. All that sexual tension in sterek scenes, that’s not subtext that’s non dialogue qualified text - or it’s text that the characters didn’t confirm speaking to another character. It’s just as valid.

But the question often comes down to being the right kind of representation, which leads into why so many people were pissed at Malia, they wanted Stiles to be bi but only be seen kissing boys, or in other words they wanted him to be gay but claim bisexuality because they couldn’t do a bigger hatchet job of that than Glee.

Stiles could be bisexual and only sleep with girls his whole life. It doesn’t stop him being bi.

But people prefer the anger they feel at the lack of representation because a) it’s not spoken of and they think that means it’s subtext not canon - when it is still canon just not very blatant or confirmed in dialogue

b) he’s the wrong kind of queer

c) they want Sterek and they’re pissed it’s not happening yet.

I’ve been watching Gotham (huge DC fan was a given) and it’s been revealed that Barbara Vane (Mrs Jim Gordon) is bi, that she had a long term relationship with comic canon lesbian and latin@ Renee Montoya, who is played by a latin@ actress. I’m not seeing that all over my dash, or even the scene where Liza kisses Fish Moony played by Jada Pinkett Smith. So where are the people screaming for representation there?

In a private conversation a friend on tumblr confided she got the impression people watched “In the Flesh” not for the story but the gay, which I agree with, because I could tell you about the gay romance but not the plot and I stopped watching half way through episode 2 because I found it boring.

The problem isn’t Sterek, or when we should give up hope, but with people who want representation to suit them, that want a queer romance on their terms and want it now.

It’s not that Sterek isn’t going to happen, and as there is one season of teen wolf left in the narrative it’s going to happen soon, but that it hasn’t happened already and Stiles isn’t doing what they want him to do

sorry, I’ll get off my soapbox now.

The show trusts it’s audience to be patient and to pay attention, if you don’t do this it’s never going to do what you want, and if that upsets you because of a lack of representation, I understand How to Get Away With Murder is great.

Asker Anonymous Asks:
Hi! I have a question, hope you don't mind. I really enjoy the meta group's theories, but sometimes you talk about the stuff you think the show's based on like its fact, and I was wondering when does it become fact instead of speculation? I hope that makes sense, thanx!
darachmoon darachmoon Said:

athenadark:

weasley-detectives:

Uhm, I think I understand what you mean, Nonnie, but let me know if I’ve misinterpreted. ^^ I think when people write meta they try to take as much into consideration as possible e.g. patterns in the text, what’s been said by Davis, Mulcahy etc., references made in the text, cinematography etc. The more we can back up the sources for our meta, the stronger our argument.

Take Star Wars as an example. Star Wars is both mentioned in the text (the running joke being Scott hasn’t watched it, Stiles telling Scott he’s a better Yoda than Derek) and by Davis, who described Season 4 as having an Empire Strikes Back vibe. The fact that it’s both been mentioned frequently in the text and by the creators means that we can take it seriously as a source of inspiration for the text. And knowing it’s an important source means that we can look for similar patterns between the two texts, and create strong theories about where the TW text is headed.

Star Wars, even the original trilogy (told from Luke’s perspective) is ultimately the tale of Anakin Skywalker. He comes out of the left field, this slave kid from the Outer Rim who turns out to be the legendary Chosen One foretold to bring balance to the Force. Qui-Gon Jinn (a pretty maverick character as far as the Jedi Order goes), believes in Anakin whole-heartedly and risks a great deal to train him, before he shuffles off his mortal coil and leaves the job to Kenobi. Anakin may be the Chosen One, and it may be his tale, but the reality is he was always a small player in a larger story - the story of the Jedi and Sith, the centralisation of power in the galaxy, the Republic split, and the Clone Wars. I mean, Episode 1 really has balls all to do with Anakin - the plot is really all about the Trade Federation’s invasion of Naboo (with Palpatine pulling the strings from the shadows). Anakin’s abilities help him to achieve heroic status during the Clone Wars, but no one stops to ask what bringing balance to the Force actually means. We have a character who didn’t ask to be a Chosen One, didn’t want to leave his mother, was brought into a culture that forbid him basic freedoms (being with his family, making a family of his own). He becomes selfish, bitter, afraid, and when he loses his mother, he vows never to lose someone he loves again, particularly Padme, whose death he starts having prophetic dreams of. Ironically, this pledge is what leads Anakin to the Dark Side and to Padme’s death. It’s a good old Shakespearean tragedy. Anakin’s story is a road to hell paved with good intentions.

So taking a look at the source, what similarities can we draw with TW that the writers may have intended? S3a drilled into our heads the importance of a narrative’s perspective: who is our narrator and how does that change the way the story is being shown? Like Anakin, Scott comes out of the left field. As far as we know, he isn’t personally connected to the Nemeton, Eichen House, or the Argents vs. Hales. Peter tells us he only bit Scott because he happened to be in the woods that night. Like Anakin, the story of Beacon Hills and the Argent/Hale feud is told through Scott’s perspective. Adding to that, it turns out Scott is a True Alpha with a mentor who believes whole-heartedly in him (Deaton and the druids could also be likened to Jedi with all their talk of balance). Allison dies in Scott’s arms like Shmi died in Anakin’s, and afterwards, just like Anakin, Scott vows never to let another person die on his watch.

When we make speculation based on all of this material it has a bit more weight to it. For instance, we can make a strong argument for the text signalling Scott’s up-coming dark arc. Anakin’s role as Chosen One was to bring balance to the Force, and he did - but he did that via an extended trip to the Dark side (bringing down the golden age of the Jedi, then sacrificing himself by killing the Emperor). Alternatively, you could make an argument that Scott isn’t Anakin, but Luke - both Anakin and Luke don’t want to become their fathers, and both failed their tests against themselves in the cave on Dagobah [Luke] / in the dream “Time of Death” [Scott]. In fact, Noshiko makes a very similar comment to Yoda when Scott asks her what will he see in his dreams when he “dies”.

Luke: What’s in there?
Yoda: Only what you take with you.

Scott: What happens when I’m out, am I going to feel anything?
Noshiko: It might feel like you’re dreaming
Scott: Good dreams or bad?
Noshiko: I suppose that depends on you.

Then you’ve got sources like Silent Hill and Jacob’s Ladder. Like Star Wars, we know the short story, “An Incident at Owl Creek Bridge” is an important source, it’s both in the text and mentioned by Davis as the inspiration for Derek’s dream sequence. The Japanese internment camp was called Oak Creek (in one scene, Noshiko even talks about an “incident at oak creek”). So again, speculation about Stiles’ role in Derek’s dream has more weight to it. Jacob’s Ladder and Silent Hill are harder to pin down, because they aren’t specifically mentioned in the text or by the creators by name. They appear in other ways. For example, Jacob’s Ladder was based on Incident at Owl Creek Bridge. It’s pretty much the story of Jacob’s trip through Bardo. In addition, several names, places and cinematography techniques are taken directly from each source. For example, The Chemist is a major character in Jacob’s Ladder, who created a drug that essentially turned soldiers into Berserkers. S4 also features an antagonist only referred to as The Chemist, and also introduced Berserkers. S2 used a technique made famous by Jacob’s Ladder (the fast shaking head - Peter under the ice in S2’s Ice Pick), instantly recognisable to any film/horror buff, all of which makes it a pretty concrete source. So any speculation/meta written based off of a source like Jacob’s Ladder still has credence, but isn’t as easy to prove as a source like Star Wars.

Ultimately, I guess what I’m arguing here is the more we can back up our theories, the more solid they are. Sources help us do that. The more you can prove your source was used, the stronger your speculation. I know that athenadark has a rule of three: if you can find three things to back up your meta, then your meta makes a pretty solid argument. That make sense, nonnie? I’m shockingly bad at explaining myself. XD

one of the absolute best books to explain sourcing will seem like athena has lost her mind

Deadpool Killustrated

no seriously. As crazy as it sounds.

The plot is Deadpool trying to kill the Marvel multiverse has decided to escape into literature and destroy the literary figures in their novels so they cannot inspire the marvel multiverse. So by killing Captain Ahab he kills Magneto, by killing Natty Bumppo no more Wolverine, Sabreclaw

what the book does is travel through the literary universe explaining which literary figures inspired which marvel characters, who in turn spawned more characters, wiping them out until no one, not even himself remains

but it DOES explain sourcing very very well, in many ways better than we can, it shows how although the creators of deadpool have probably never read Don Quixote they had read others who were inspired by him, which inspired other characters until we end up with Deadpool, a character incredibly like Don Quixote.

So if you’re watching something and go - this is just like that bit in teen wolf it’s because it is

the theory is called the cauldron of story, the idea being that every story you have ever encountered, in whatever medium, is inside you, and when a story teller tells a story he takes from that cauldron a bit of this and a bit of that to form a new whole. Sometimes (often) the writer has no idea they’re doing it, the trick is finding enough to prove Davis has seen/read it so it counts as a source. We could do what they do in deadpool and trace them back to the originals, which would probably take us to medieval manuscripts but we don’t need to, those sources inspired him and use certain tropes so we can make educated guesses based on those tropes, just as Auguste Dupin in a story will use his intellect to solve the problem we can say Sherlock Holmes, who was inspired by him, will. See how it works? It’s not nearly as complex as it sounds, but the deadpool book explains it very simply with lots of gore and deadpool being deadpool

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sterek ALPHABET

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